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Translation

Rolando, your knowledge of wiki language is already a great benefit to us. The translation template already looks 500% better. Thank you. Any other changes you think we should make? --jon.jaquesTALK GENI 22:09, 2 February 2008 (PST)

Thanks! I hope I did not ruffle too many feathers. You may have seen what I did with Template:Spanish translation. It could use some tweaking, but I would like to write up a little howto document for the Translation template, and then try to get the different translators to use that format.
As far as suggestions, I would just make sure you're on the lookout for duplicate code--especially complex code like that for tables. It is ripe for errors and can be wildly inconsistent. My hope is that the Geni team could come in to a language template like the one above, parse the content, and generate their translation dictionary for that language. If every language is different--especially if the English terms are different--then it becomes a much more time consuming process.
If there are specific areas of the wiki where you think you could use some syntax/template help, let me know. Rolando 08:09, 3 February 2008 (PST)

Bugs

Hi Rolando! A user has found a bug in the template/the howto page. Here is a copy of the messsage:

I try to translate GENI into to LANGUAG language. I have a question
 about step 4 in your HowTo
 http://wiki.geni.com/index.php/How_to_create_a_translation_page
 The name of my country is "COUNTRY", the name of my language is
 "LANGUAGE". So in the article "COUNTRY" is used template {{LANGUAGE
 translation}}. In this template is used "{{Translation|LANGUAGE" which
 generates link to the page "LANGUAGE" which doesn't exist.
 But if I use "{{Translation|Template:LANGUAGE translation|" it generates
 right link to template with Czech translation. I think that first
 example is right but doesn't work, and second example works fine but
 it contains a bug.

What do you think? --Dicito 11:12, 27 February 2008 (PST)

Hi Dicito. I'm not sure I follow. How does this relate to existing language templates like {{Spanish translation}}, {{French translation}}, {{Russian translation}}, etc.? These are included on Mexico, France and Russia, respectively, and seem to be OK. Rolando 12:57, 27 February 2008 (PST)

(Reply to message on my own talk page:) I've done as you said, linking to my talk page in the tutorial. I've checked Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Czech Republic, Finland, Poland, Russia, France, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, which all are linking correctly. Netherlands is not using the template correctly. Big countries like Italy and Germany has a translation, but does not use the template. Should we make them use the template? Denmark is strangely the only one not working. Do you know what's wrong here? --Dicito 10:46, 29 February 2008 (PST)

Dicito, I fixed {{Danish translation}}. I passed the wrong value to the first parameter. I think we should create translation templates for all those pages--it's easy to find them by searching for "Everyone's related." I have found Hungary, Korean, etc. My thought is that if Geni uses this stuff for translation--and IMHO they should to get them started--they can just parse the different translation templates, rather than having to seek the translations out on each page. That was my vision, such as it was, from day one. Rolando 12:34, 1 March 2008 (PST)

Thank you Rolando! If I get the time, I'll make all the countries use the template. I like your vision. It's what's making it easier for everybody. --Dicito 15:31, 1 March 2008 (PST)

Translation Template Suggestion

Rolando, I have a suggestion for the translation template. We need to make some kind of headline for the Geni Flash Interface, as many of the terms from Uncategorized belongs to something like that. Like the help balloons, the print actions and so on. Just now, I created a headline called: "Welcome to the tree" message boxes (First time using the tree only). This is something that only appears in the Geni Graphical Interface/Flash Interface or whatever it's called.
Also, many other things like all the subpages from My Tree, should have a bigger headline or something like that. Right now, everything headline is the same size, and that makes it a bit messy.
I really think the headlines should have different sizes. But what do you think? --Dicito 05:08, 1 March 2008 (PST)

I think what you've done looks great!
I added another parameter to {{Translation/heading}}, so that you can make things larger or smaller. The acceptable values are anything valid for a CSS font property; I'd probably use something from the list below:
default
xx-large
x-large
large
medium
small
x-small
xx-small
The code would look like {{Translation/heading|Inbox|x-large}}.
What do you think? Rolando 12:24, 1 March 2008 (PST)

Looks great to me! I'll start editing the template some time, to make it look better. Thanks! --Dicito 15:32, 1 March 2008 (PST)

Surname infobox

This is an awesome addition, I always wondered how to make these infoboxes. Thank you very much! --jon.jaquesTALK GENI 19:27, 5 March 2008 (PST)

Translation Template Suggestion 2

Hi again, Rolando! I have a suggestion, but I don't know if it's even possible. Well, here it comes anyway: Is it possible to add a box/text that says: This translation is X% finished ? It would maybe help people to see: "Wow here's something that need to be translated!" Because if everything is translated at the top, some people might think that the translation is done. --Dicito 11:33, 11 March 2008 (PDT)

Dicito: Hm. Not automatically, but we could template a notice like the following:
This translation is {{{1}}}% complete! Can you help finish it up?
And then include that on the language specific translation template. There may be some arithmetic wiki syntax I don't know that could help, perhaps.Rolando 11:42, 11 Mar 2008 (PDT)
Sounds difficult, will try to ask on a forum if this is even possible. --Dicito 14:09, 11 March 2008 (PDT)
Dicito: If you are asking for some automatic calculation, I think it's impossible or at least prohibitively difficult. If, on the other hand, you are asking for a simple template like the one below, where one would put
{{Translation help request|70}}
At the top of the language specific template, then it would be quite easy. Rolando 15:03, 11 March 2008 (PDT)
See {{Translation help request}} Rolando 15:06, 11 March 2008 (PDT)
I was acutally looking for automatic calculation, but only if it was possible and not too hard. I don't know if we should use the one you
suggested, It's hard to make the calculation yourself everytime. Thank you for trying anyway. --Dicito 07:15, 15 March 2008 (PDT)
Yeah, I agree. Let's continue to talk about this at Template talk:Translation. Rolando 08:32, 15 March 2008 (PDT)

Bug in translation

Hi Rolando! I have user who has a problem. He had translated the Belgium version. But he can't translate 3 sentences. (This page: Template:Dutch/Belgium_translation ) His message: User_talk:Dicito (The one at the bottom.) Can you see what's wrong? Thanks! --Dicito 08:04, 31 March 2008 (PDT)

In case anyone cares, I think I fixed this. Rolando 17:57, 31 May 2008 (PDT)
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